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Tue, March 21, 2023 | 00:36
Ex-US nuclear negotiator calls for dialogue with North Korea
로버트 갈루치 "北과 다시 대화 모색할 때…기회되면 역할"
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Robert Gallucci
Robert Gallucci

The United States should open dialogue with North Korea because ignoring the communist regime would only make the already bad situation worse, a former top American nuclear negotiator with Pyongyang said.


Robert Gallucci, who defused the first North Korean nuclear crisis by negotiating the 1994 Agreed Framework deal with Pyongyang, also said in an exclusive interview with Yonhap News Agency that he is willing to play a role in helping resolve the standoff if asked by the U.S. government.

"The North Korean issue, shorthanded, doesn't get better like fine wine, (with) the passage of time," Gallucci said. "It gets worse. With each passing year the North accumulated more highly enriched uranium, we presume, more plutonium, develops more sophisticated delivery vehicles, probably more sophisticated nuclear weapons."

The 1994 deal committed North Korea to freezing and ultimately dismantling its nuclear program in exchange for two proliferation-resistant light water reactors for power generation, and normalization of relations with the United States.

But the landmark agreement fell apart with the second nuclear crisis in late 2002, with revelations that Pyongyang had pursued a clandestine uranium enrichment program. Six-party talks were then launched in 2003 to defuse the crisis, but the standoff is still ongoing.

"I did not regard the Agreed Framework as perfect ... But it was a very good start so that when the framework fell apart... I was disappointed and concerned that there was nothing in place to constrain the North Koreans," he said in the interview held this past week.

"As we are at the anniversary almost of the Agreed Framework I regret that we do not have a framework or a structure in place to manage the disagreements on the peninsula," he said, referring to the 20th anniversary of the agreement this year.

The six-party talks, which bring together the U.S., North and South Korea, China, Japan and Russia, have been stalled since the last meeting in late 2008. The North has called for unconditional resumption of the negotiations, but Washington and Seoul demand Pyongyang take concrete steps demonstrating its denuclearization commitment.

That stance reflects deep skepticism the U.S. and the South have about North Korea, a country that has a track record of starting a crisis, coming to negotiations and reaching an agreement in exchange for economic and other concessions, before ditching the deal.

Critics of negotiations with the North say Pyongyang has no intention to give up its nuclear program and holding dialogue with the regime would amount to rewarding the North's bad behavior. Still, Gallucci said there should be negotiations.

"The North Koreans ... do not want to be ignored and when they think they're ignored, they will do something to get your attention in the South or our attention. We shouldn't try to deal with the North Korean case by ignoring it," he said.

"Doing nothing about North Korea (is untenable), not only because while you're doing nothing they will be building stuff, but also it's not a responsible way to deal with a situation like the North Korean state," he added.

Gallucci also said sanctions are not a good idea to deal with North Korea because China, which has an interest in not seeing the North Korean regime collapse, will intervene. "The regime in the North has very high tolerance for pain suffered by its people. These are not very nice people," he said.

Last September, Gallucci and Stephen Bosworth, a former special U.S. representative for North Korea policy, held a meeting with North Korean officials in Berlin. The North Koreans repeated their calls for talks without any conditions, he said.

Before coming to the meeting, Gallucci said, he met with Amb. Glyn Davies, special representative for North Korea policy, and Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel, and relayed the American position to the North Koreans that Pyongyang should take steps demonstrating its seriousness.

The North Koreans insisted they can't make concessions before negotiations begin, he said.

Gallucci said, however, he believes the two sides can bridge the gap.

"The U.S. could say they'll have pre-talks, but not the real talks, pre-talks. They don't require proof of sincerity. We could say that. The North could say, OK, here's Kenneth Bae," he said, suggesting the North could release a Korean-American citizen being held in the communist nation in return.

The former negotiator said he has received invitations from the North through nongovernmental organizations to come and visit the country, but didn't accept the invitations because he did not "want to get in the way."

Still, Gallucci said he is willing to play a role if his government asks for it.

"If the U.S. government ever said we would like you to do something, I would do it, probably," he said. (Yonhap)


로버트 갈루치 "北과 다시 대화 모색할 때…기회되면 역할"

1994년 제1차 북핵위기 당시 제네바 합의를 끌어냈던 로버트 갈루치 전 미국 북핵특사는 10일(현지시간) '미국이 북한과 대화재개에 나서야 한다'고 밝혔다.

갈루치 전 특사는 이날 제네바 합의 20주년을 맞아 연합뉴스와 인터뷰를 한 자리에서 '북한 핵문제를 이대로 계속 외면하는 것은 이미 악화된 상황을 더욱 악화시킬 것'이라며 이같이 말했다.

갈루치 전 특사는 '북한 핵문제는 포도주처럼 시간이 지난다고 해결되지 않는다'며 '해를 거듭할수록 북한은 더 많은 고농축 우라늄과 플루토늄을 확보하고 더욱 정교한 핵무기와 운반체계를 개발하고 있다'고 밝혔다.

그는 앞으로의 해법에 대해 '미국은 북한과의 예비적 대화에 나서고 북한은 장기 억류된 케네스 배를 석방할 경우 대화의 장이 열릴 수 있다'고 말했다.

그는 특히 '미국 정부의 요청이 올 경우 북핵문제의 교착상태를 해결하기 위한 역할을 할 용의가 있다'고 밝혔다.

미국과 북한은 1994년 10월21일 역사적인 제네바 합의를 통해 북한이 핵시설 건설을 동결하는 대가로 미국이 북한의 경수로 건설을 지원해주기로 했다. 그러나 2002년 북한의 고농축 우라늄 핵프로그램 운영 문제가 불거지며 합의가 파기됐고 이후 2003년 8월부터 2008년 12월까지 여섯차례에 걸쳐 열린 6자회담도 북한의 핵포기를 끌어내는데 성공하지 못햇다.

다음은 일문일답.

-- 제네바 합의 20주년을 맞는 소회는.

▲ 20년전 제네바 합의를 끌어낸 북·미 대화는 중요한 협상이었고 나는 그 결과에 만족하고 안도했다. 제네바 합의가 완전하다고 생각하지 않지만 북핵문제 해결을 위한 좋은 출발점이었다. 그러나 20년이 지난 지금 나는 한반도의 갈등을 관리할 수 있는 아무런 틀과 구조를 갖지 못하고 있는 점이 아쉽다. 북한의 핵개발을 억제할 수 있는 아무런 수단이 없다는데 실망하고 우려하고 있다. 제네바 합의가 파기된 것은 기본적으로 북한의 책임이지만 한국과 미국, 일본, 중국, 러시아도 핵문제를 합리적이고 책임있는 방식으로 해결해야할 책임이 있다.

-- 제네바 합의가 지금 우리에게 주는 교훈은.

▲ 간단히 말해 북한 핵문제는 포도주처럼 시간이 지난다고 해결되지 않는다. 해를 거듭할수록 북한은 더 많은 고농축 우라늄과 플루토늄을 확보하고 더욱 정교한 핵무기와 운반체계를 개발하고 있다.

북한은 기본적으로 외면당하고 싶지 않아 한다. 자신들이 외면당하고 있다고 생각하면 미국과 한국의 관심을 끌어내려고 무슨 일이든 저지른다. 북한을 외면하는 방식으로 북한 문제를 해결하려고 해서는 안 된다. 북한에 대해 아무것도 하지 않는 것는 북한에게 핵무기 재고를 늘리는 시간을 줄 뿐만 아니라 책임있는 행동이 아니다.
-- 북한과 대화와 협상을 재개해야 한다는 의미인가.

▲ 그렇다. 일부 학자들은 북한이 어떤 상황에서도 핵무기를 포기하지 않을 것이라고 말한다. 그러나 북한의 의도를 확인해보는 길은 핵을 테이블에 올려놓고 대화와 협상을 하는 것이다. 미국과 한국, 중국, 일본은 북한과 어떤 조건과 형식으로 대화할 것인가를 긴밀히 협의해야 한다.

-- 북한이 비핵화의 진정성을 보여주기 전에는 '전략적 인내'가 필요하다는 게 미국 정부의 확고부동한 입장인데.

▲ 전략적 인내라는 것은 결국 아무것도 하지 않겠다는 것이다. 다시 말해 미국의 정책은 봉쇄정책이라고 볼 수 있다. 봉쇄정책으로 어떻게 핵무기 개발을 막고 도발행위를 막을 수 있겠는가.

-- 제재가 효과가 없다는 말인가.

▲ 제재 자체를 반대하지는 않는다. 그러나 중국이 북한의 붕괴를 원하지 않기 때문에 효과를 얻기 어렵다. 또 북한 정권은 설령 주민들이 고통을 겪더라도 외부로부터의 제재를 버텨내는 능력을 갖고 있다.

-- 지난해 9월 북한 관리들과 비공식 접촉을 가진 것으로 아는데, 북한의 입장은 정확히 어떤 것인가.

▲ 비공식 접촉 이전에 대니얼 러셀 국무부 동아태 차관보와 글린 데이비스 국무부 대북정책 특별대표를 만나 미국 정부의 입장을 들었다. 북한이 비핵화의 진정성을 구체적인 조치로 보여달라는 것이었다. 이에 대해 북한 관리들은 6자회담이 시작되기 전에 어떠한 양보도 할 수 없다고 주장했다.

-- 양국이 서로의 입장차를 좁힐 수 있을 것으로 보나.

▲ 미국은 실질적 협상에 앞서 예비협상(pre-talks)을 시작할 수 있다. 굳이 북한에게 비핵화의 진정성을 보이라고 요구할 필요가 없다. 북한은 케네스 배를 비롯해 장기 억류된 사람들을 석방함으로써 이에 호응할 수 있다.

-- 혹시 북한으로부터 방북 요청이 왔나.

▲ 비정부기구(NGO) 등을 통해 간접적으로 방북해달라는 뜻을 전달받고 있다. 그러나 나는 정부가 하는 일을 방해하고 싶지 않다. 다만 정부가 요청한다면 북핵문제 해결을 위해 역할을 하고 싶다. 트랙 2(민간) 차원의 역할은 궁극적으로는 정부 대 정부의 대화로 이어질 수 있도록 가교역할을 하는데 의미가 있다. (연합뉴스)
 
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